Black Sheep

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  Did You Get Invited to the Memorial?

  by Ding in

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  i'm just wondering if jws keep inviting you back or if they've given up on you.. they haven't invited me for years..

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  Black Sheep

  I'm not avoided by Dubs, and am welcomed into their homes, but I haven't been invited to a memorial for well over a decade.
  
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  Should I get babtized?

  by BlackWolf in

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  i know this sounds like a ridiculous question but i was talking with my mom in the car today and of course we got on the topic of getting babtized again.

  she told me that jehovah holds me accountable for my sins regardless of wether i am babtized or not so i have no reason to be holding back because it won't change anything.

  my parents are the type of super strict jw who will shun you just for not being a witness.

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  Black Sheep

  Not getting baptized was the best thing I ever did. Because of that, my parents still had a relationship with me into their old age. Something they would not have had if they had been guilted into shunning me if I had been DA or DF. A dysfunctional relationship for sure, but that was better than none, as much for them as for me.
  
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  inquiring mind has 3 questions

  by OutsiderLookingIn in

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  just a few questions from a newbie.

  answer one or as many as you want.

  1. why cleaners?

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  Black Sheep

  "2/3 leave?" is from a survey by the Pew Research Center. One question asked was something along the lines of, "Do you still belong to the church you were raised in?" The survey has been discussed here and a search should find it.
  
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  Don't know what to do

  by looter in

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  i'm in a crazy situation.

  about a year ago, i was going to get baptized.

  it was all planned and arranged until ttatt was learned.

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  Black Sheep

  ...and don't ask your dad about things that bother you.

  Ask him question about things that will bother him.
  
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  Don't know what to do

  by looter in

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  i'm in a crazy situation.

  about a year ago, i was going to get baptized.

  it was all planned and arranged until ttatt was learned.

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  Black Sheep

  The best thing I never did, was get baptized. Decades later, I still have contact with all of my family members. If I had gotten dunked, I would now be the evil one to be avoided at all costs.

  For my father, this has been his greatest blessing.
  
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  Writing my Disassociation letter

  by Bebopin in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  today i am working on writing my disassociation letter.

  i successfully faded a year ago.

  but i feel like i can't keep looking over my shoulder anymore i just need to be completely rid of this cult.. any suggestions on letter and it's content?.

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  Black Sheep

  If you play by their rules, they win. Their rules are designed to protect their flock from you. Officially disassociating puts out a warning to all JWs not to listen to anything you have to say. Even more importantly, it warns them not to answer your questions.

  All of your JW life, they have been warning you and your friends and family, not to listen to apostate reasoning. What makes you think that your family are different, and will listen to you? especially once you have your Apostate hat on?

  
  Instead of telling them what you think, make them think. Ask them sincere questions, one at a time, that they think/pretend/boast they should be able answer. Make them do the research and the reasoning and put them on a guilt trip if they try to weasel their way out of it, or use any kind of psychological warfare to get you accept illogical answers.
  
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  "Theocratic Warfare" still alive and well within Watchtower in 2016!

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  it seems like the watchtower is still encouraging "theocratic warfare".

  in the no.1 watchtower of 2016, they (ironically) printed an article on honesty.here is something they said:"lyingwhat is it?

  saying something false to someone who is entitledto know the truth.

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  Black Sheep

  Nothing has changed. The name has gone, but that is all.

  Get your JW to deny Theocratic Warfare, then ask them to explain this article to you. Have your references ready.
  
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  What made you turn atheist or agnostic?

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you were a jw and are now an atheist or agnostic, what was the tipping point that made you turn to it?.

  the reason i ask is i have noticed that many who leave the jw's seem to turn to atheism, versus still having some form of a faith.

  have many of you given up on god first or have you had atheistic views first and then found atheism to be true.

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  Black Sheep

  I wasn't a JW. i was an unbaptized born in.

  When I realized that not all was as it seemed, I soon worked out that everything I had been taught was suspect. Everything. Trying to cherry pick the bits I liked out of the cult's teachings was not a sensible option. I had to start over and do due diligence on anything I read.
  
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  Disassociation letter

  by BeautifulMind in

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  good evening.

  i have a question about where to send my disassociation letter.

  do i give a copy to the overseer of the cong i was in and the branch?

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  Black Sheep

  Don't send it.

  They want you to send it so that they can announce your apostasy from the platform and protect their remaining cult members from you by making sure they don't talk to you.

  Don't play the game by their rules. Their rules are designed so that they win, and you lose.
  
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  JAMES WOODS is in the hospital (heart related)

  by Terry in

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  2. friends

  james woods has been a long time regular on this discussion group in all of its incarnations.. he had some kind of "heart-attack" and has been in dallas' emergency ward for several days.

  he also has a blood clot doctors are working to break up.. 972-261-4412 is his cell number.. he was in a talking mood yesterday afternoon.. i bet it wouldn't kill him to get some well-wishes.. james goes back a long way as an ex-jw.

  he knows where the bodies are buried :).

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  Black Sheep

  Wishing James a speedy recovery. Ticker problems are a bitch. I hope they get it sorted quickly.